The Sourcing Hero
Together, Una and Art of Procurement are excited to bring you epic stories of beating the odds and rising up in procurement. Hear from leading sourcing and supply chain professionals as they share expert insight and tales of business heroism, all in the name of creating exceptional value within procurement. Follow the team: Anthony Clervi -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonyclervi/ Kris Lance -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kris-lance-1b9015175/ Kelly Barner -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-barner-6884443/
Episodes

Wednesday Jun 01, 2022
Ep 67: Considering the Current State of the Procurement Community feat. Philip Ideson
Wednesday Jun 01, 2022
Wednesday Jun 01, 2022
With in-person events starting back up, procurement professionals have the opportunity to ‘get back out there’ and start adding to their knowledge and networks - but are they picking up where they left off or have the last two years changed everything?
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes back Philip Ideson. Phil is the Founder and Managing Director of Art of Procurement, a procurement consulting, membership, and content company that provides CPOs and their teams the resources they need to enable company growth. He has also worked at both Procurian & Accenture and has experience across the entire Indirect and Direct procurement value chain.
In this interview, Phil shares what he has been hearing at recent in-person industry conferences and whether it provides evidence that the procurement community is staying current on the most important topics:
How conference topics, speakers, and attendees have - or have not - changed as a result of the last two years
What procurement should be investing in and focusing on now to be prepared for the conditions we are likely to be working through six months from now
Whether the combined pressures of inflation, recession, and ESG will alter the general tone of supplier relationship efforts

Wednesday May 25, 2022
Wednesday May 25, 2022
Working in supply chain over the last couple of years has been an exercise in ‘weathering the storm.’ As the disruptions continue, and the stakes rise higher, it seems reasonable to ask whether we are truly in the midst of a perfect storm.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Kris Lance. Kris has experience in multiple industries, but a particular focus in healthcare and technology. We also have it on good authority that he is an “optimist with a raincoat” - something we learn more about in this conversation.
In this interview, Kris shares his perspective on the critical situation around food supply chains, whether it is a short term price hike or a humanitarian crisis on the horizon:
The macro events currently serving as an indication that food shortages are going to be an ongoing challenge
Available strategies that companies can explore to protect themselves from disruption and protect their market share
General lessons learned from the disruptions of the last two years that procurement and supply chain professionals should consider baking into ongoing processes

Wednesday May 18, 2022
Ep 65: Equity, Empathy, and Entrepreneurship feat. Karl Sona
Wednesday May 18, 2022
Wednesday May 18, 2022
Corporate programs like ESG (environmental, social, and governance) and DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion) are growing increasingly common and high visibility. And while the stated vision they are associated with is admirable, they aren’t enough to drive the changes most of us want to see. For that, we’re going to need a strong combination of empathy and entrepreneurship.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Karl Sona. Karl was working his way through a successful career in medical device sales when he realized something was missing. There was part of himself that he wasn’t able to bring to bear in his work - so he joined the ‘Great Resignation’ and struck out on his own.
Today he is the Founder and CEO of The Kas Company, a firm that specializes in brokering profitable partnerships between corporate brands and black-owned businesses, and the host of his own podcast, Dear Black CEO.
In this interview, Karl talks about his philosophy - and incentives - for brokering profitable partnerships between corporations and minority-owned businesses:
His perspective on the nature of relationships between corporations and their suppliers
Whether relationships with minority-owned and other diverse-owned businesses should be different
The role that regulations play in driving companies to increase their investments in ESG versus inadvertently incentivizing box checking
The best pieces of advice and take-aways that he has heard from black CEOs on his podcast

Wednesday May 11, 2022
Ep 64: Moving Beyond Stone Age Procurement feat. Patrick Jonsson
Wednesday May 11, 2022
Wednesday May 11, 2022
For a long time, procurement has struggled to reconcile the tension between tactical activities and strategic goals. A few organizations have broken free and stepped into the leadership space through innovative approaches to talent and technology, but most are still mired in ‘stone age’ thinking and approaches.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Patrick Jonsson. Patrick is the Founder of DigiProCure who provide a Category Management Tool focused on streamlining the category management process. He has led many digital procurement transformations involving a wide array of systems, and witnessed firsthand the need for tools that adapt to each team’s maturity and needs.
In this interview, Patrick describes and defends his “provocative” approach to understanding the changes procurement needs to make:
Why he thinks procurement organizations are in an “adapt or die” moment and what that means
The most common pain points procurement and sourcing organizations need to deal with before they can prosper
A list of practical enablers procurement teams should embrace to get their paradigm shift started

Wednesday May 04, 2022
Ep 63: Hitting a Moving Target feat. Steve Trussell
Wednesday May 04, 2022
Wednesday May 04, 2022
Procurement transformation requires vision, strategy, and skilled execution, but none of those come into play until the situation has been accurately diagnosed. Every organization is different, and the long term vision for each procurement team has to reflect the unique culture and priorities in place.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Steve Trussell. Steve is career sourcing and procurement professional with experience in a wide range of industries and focus areas. After starting his career in manufacturing, he went on to work in retail, automotive, aerospace, and heavy equipment sourcing. Today he is applying his knowledge to the challenges of other procurement teams, helping them understand and address their challenges.
In this conversation, Steve shares a wealth of seasoned advice about leading transformation, communication, and building the right culture and mindset around problem solving:
What to look for when trying to diagnose a new company culture or challenge to be solved
How to separate the symptoms of a procurement problem from the cause of that problem (the ‘true’ problem)
Creating an environment where the team will work collaboratively with other functions to find solutions
How to help people keep their eye on the horizon even while facing urgent, short term issues

Wednesday Apr 27, 2022
Ep 62: Raising the Eyebrows of Procurement’s Stakeholders feat. Cedric Watlington
Wednesday Apr 27, 2022
Wednesday Apr 27, 2022
Procurement has to have equally effective technical capabilities and relationships building skills, but the business needs to meet them halfway. If both sides can connect in a place of mutual trust and mutual gain, the possibilities are limitless. If, however, there is no trust, there will always be a gap between what the business wants and what procurement can do for them.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Cedric Watlington. Cedric is an experienced procurement and sourcing manager with a specialization in technology spend. He is proud to be a continuous learner with an extreme ownership mindset and an operational problem solver. His proven track record of sourcing results includes creating value in the form of savings and supplier innovation.
In this conversation, Cedric shares his perspective on how procurement and the business can both take steps to improve their relationship on behalf of the business:
His approach to building a procurement-business partnership
Whether the “constructive feedback” procurement often receives from the business is deserved and how we can improve their perception
The role of company culture in procurement’s approaches and relationships
How the business could make it easier for procurement to support them

Wednesday Apr 20, 2022
Wednesday Apr 20, 2022
There are many types of organizations looking to assist veterans as they transition out of service. The federal government and state agencies play a role, but so do nonprofits and corporations. Ironically, the trouble faced by most veterans is not a shortage of information, but an overabundance of resources to go through.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Paul Lawrence. Paul was a participant in the LinkedIn Creator Accelerator program with Kelly earlier this year. He is a ‘veteran helping other veterans,’ an advocate that advises nonprofits and businesses about Veteran issues. As a former senior leader at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, he has a unique perspective on the challenges organizations face working with and for Veterans, and uses that insight to help organizations serve Veterans successfully, efficiently, and cost effectively.
In this conversation, Paul talks about some of the challenges veterans face and what he has learned about how individuals and corporations can support them:
What he learned by interviewing people working to help veterans during the 11 weeks of his Accelerator-based American Dream Campaign
A surprising insight about service and giving back that he heard from veteran-owned business still in startup mode
The kind of approach procurement professionals need to take if they want to be seen as enablers rather than roadblocks

Wednesday Apr 13, 2022
Ep 60: Make v. Buy in Procurement Tech feat. Sean Sieper
Wednesday Apr 13, 2022
Wednesday Apr 13, 2022
‘Make v. buy’ is a classic business decision - one that procurement often helps the business evaluate for their own needs. But what about procurement’s own needs, especially in the area of technology? It may be that there is an opportunity for added value and control that procurement has been overlooking.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Sean Sieper. Sean is the Director of the Indirect Center of Excellence at Retail Business Services, where his team provides services to the nation’s fourth-largest retail group, including omnichannel grocery brands Food Lion, Giant Food, The GIANT Company, Hannaford and Stop & Shop. He has experience in private brands (i.e. store brand) product sourcing and logistics as well as indirect sourcing.
In this conversation, Sean shares his point of view on the benefits of building custom technology in-house:
When procurement should consider a ‘make’ option for their own technology
The types of talent procurement needs in house to execute this effort successfully
How choosing this route and acquiring the talent required to support it may affect procurement’s relationship with IT
What parts of building a solution procurement should NOT be willing to attempt