The Sourcing Hero
Together, Una and Art of Procurement are excited to bring you epic stories of beating the odds and rising up in procurement. Hear from leading sourcing and supply chain professionals as they share expert insight and tales of business heroism, all in the name of creating exceptional value within procurement. Follow the team: Anthony Clervi -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonyclervi/ Kris Lance -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kris-lance-1b9015175/ Kelly Barner -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-barner-6884443/
Episodes

Wednesday Dec 17, 2025
Ep 230: Turning Human Relationships into Business Outcomes feat. Matthieu Garnier
Wednesday Dec 17, 2025
Wednesday Dec 17, 2025
Procurement may just be one of the most social functions in the company. Not only does the team have to interact successfully with the executive team, budget holders, other stakeholders, and suppliers, but they must do so without having authority over any of them. Their relational skills - including communication, negotiation, and influencing - are constantly being put to the test.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Matthieu Garnier. Mattheu has extensive procurement experience, including in the automotive industry, where the results of a negotiation or a relationship are felt long into the future.
Matthieu shares his personal philosophy on the humanity of procurement, and why that will make all the difference as the world of business becomes increasingly AI-driven:
The value of investing in a professional community
Why procurement needs to develop their listening skills just as much as their communication and negotiation skills
How to balance being relational with being tough, as circumstances require
Procurement’s opportunity to ‘shine a light’ in the grey spaces that every company must travel through
Links:
Matthieu Garnier on LinkedIn

Wednesday Nov 12, 2025
Ep 229: Procurement as a Talent Launching Pad feat. Pamela Gerber
Wednesday Nov 12, 2025
Wednesday Nov 12, 2025
The range of skills and talent procurement professionals need in order to be successful is dizzying, but that also means that they end up being prime candidates for other roles. As procurement professionals deliberately build and add to those skills, they both increase their individual career trajectories and also increase the impact and output of the function.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Pamela Gerber. Pamela is a senior procurement executive with a long track record of working in sourcing and procurement roles across industries. That experience has given her many opportunities to form a perspective on the importance of investing in procurement talent.
Pamela shares extensively with her own personal experience in procurement to offer insight into and recommendations about:
Why it is so hard to establish a talent foundation in procurement
How procurement can build the influence and seniority that will open doors to bigger opportunities
The importance of being willing to seize unexpected opportunities as they present themselves
Whether she sees a trend of people ‘falling out’ of procurement and if she considers that a good thing or a bad thing
Links:
Pamela Gerber on LinkedIn

Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Ep 228: Procurement Skills That Save Money feat. Philip Ideson
Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
There was a time when the only objective procurement had to satisfy was saving the company money, and the only way to do that was to negotiate tough with suppliers. Today, however, the business’s expectations are much greater - a shift that is raising the bar for procurement professionals in all industries and across categories of spend.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes back Philip Ideson, Founder and Managing Director at Art of Procurement. They take the opportunity to discuss one of the broader themes we are hearing about in procurement today, and that is procurement skill sets and their connection to business outcomes.
Phil speaks from his own experience as a procurement professional and as someone covering the space through this major shift:
The most important skill procurement can employ while trying to save money and also support the overall business
How changes in the procurement operating model and tech stack are affecting the skills needed on the team
Differences in category strategy and stakeholder groups and how those (should) impact procurement’s approach
Links:
Philip Ideson on LinkedIn

Tuesday Sep 16, 2025
Ep 227: The Power and Sophistication of Payments feat. Brian Goudie
Tuesday Sep 16, 2025
Tuesday Sep 16, 2025
While the options available to consumers may make payments seem simple, the underlying complexity is enough to make small to mid-sized business owners’ heads spin. Selecting the right payments provider can set a small business up for success - by allowing them to do what they do best.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Brian Goudie. Brian is the Executive Chairman at Aurora Payments. By providing secure payments solutions, Aurora has built a portfolio of more than 29,000 small and medium-sized merchants that process $12 billion annually. Brian is also a small business owner himself, so he understands the business challenges his clients are facing first hand.
Brian pulls back the curtain on payments and shares expertise build up over 30 years in the payments space:
How the payment platform has changed, from increased investment and sophistication to the lasting impact of COVID
What small to mid-sized businesses should look for in a payments provider
What makes payments so complex for businesses to manage
Links:
Brian Goudie on LinkedIn

Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
Ep 226: Understanding and Celebrating Inclusive Teams feat. Andrés Tapia
Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
How we think about inclusivity in today’s workforce has a lot to do with how we view diversity. The strongest, most resilient teams take the best characteristics, experiences, and approaches that each individual member has to offer, shine a light on those qualities, and then weave them together into an unbreakable fabric.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Andrés Tapia.
Andrés is one of the authors of the book The 5 Disciplines of Inclusive Teams: Unlocking Collective Power to Achieve Breakthrough. Andrés was a Senior Client Partner at Korn Ferry for 12 years and now leads the Andrés Tapia strategy group.
Andrés speaks about the power of inclusivity and the benefits of teams that continue to grow individually and collectively:
Big picture ways to think about being inclusive in the modern workplace
What it takes to go from a collection of talented people to a truly inclusive team
How every team can become more inclusive than they already are
Links:
Andrés Tapia on LinkedIn

Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Ep 225: Building a Dynamic Board of Directors feat. James Drury III
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
A Board of Directors plays a critical role in the success of the company they advise. Ensuring that the right members are on that Board, and that each Board has the right mix of personalities, experiences, and functional knowledge is a significant and ongoing challenge - but one that is worth the effort to get right.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes James Drury III, the Founder, Chairman, and CEO of JamesDruryPartners. Jim has over 30 years of experience advising Fortune 100 CEOs and senior executives, and has placed hundreds of leaders on the boards of influential companies.
Jim shares his detailed experience with - and insights on:
What role a Board of Directors should fill in a company and what their relationship with the C-suite should look like
How much a Board should know about the company’s supply chain
The information a Chief Procurement Officer or Chief Supply Chain Officer might need to prepare in advance of meeting with the Board
Links:
James Drury Partners on LinkedIn

Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Ep 224: A Middle Eastern Perspective on Global Supply Chains feat. Samah Mahdi Abdulla
Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Supply chains must be a product of the geography they support, leading to specific requirements around transport modes, temperature control, and even warehousing capacity. This also means that supply chain experts must be as well versed in the infrastructure and logistics of their local area as they are that of their suppliers.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Samah Mahdi Abdulla. Samah is a supply chain professional with over 15 years of experience and a master's degree in Logistics, Procurement, and Supply Chain Management. She is based in Bahrain and has worked in industries as diverse as retail and food production.
Shares her unique perspective on procurement and supply chain:
The benefits of specialized - and continuing - education in procurement and supply chain
How working from an island nation has shaped her work
The speed of business in Bahrain that supply chains must be prepared to support
Links:
Samah Mahdi Abdulla on LinkedIn

Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
Most professionals have had the opportunity to work for both wonderful and less-than-wonderful leaders at one time or another. But while we are likely to notice the difference, being able to explain what makes one individual more successful than another may be challenging.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Dr. Shanda Gore. Dr. Gore is the Founder and CEO of Mays Associates, and the author of a new book titled The PinLeader Path: Identify, Engage, and Develop Effective Human and AI Leadership for Your Organizational Culture. Dr. Gore has been studying and coaching leaders to find out what characteristics make the greatest difference to their company and team.
Dr. Gore talks about the idea of being a “PinLeader” in today’s corporations:
Three major attributes that are present in all successful leaders
How leadership intersects (or clashes) with company culture
The role that AI is playing in companies, on teams, and on behalf of leaders
Ways we should think about business etiquette today
Links:
Dr. Shanda Gore on LinkedIn



