The Sourcing Hero
Together, Una and Art of Procurement are excited to bring you epic stories of beating the odds and rising up in procurement. Hear from leading sourcing and supply chain professionals as they share expert insight and tales of business heroism, all in the name of creating exceptional value within procurement. Follow the team: Anthony Clervi -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonyclervi/ Kris Lance -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kris-lance-1b9015175/ Kelly Barner -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-barner-6884443/
Episodes

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"It ain't about how hard you get hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward." - Rocky Balboa
Supply chain professionals know how to take a hit. In most cases, they are strong enough to get back up time and time again. How quickly they are back on their feet each time is an indication of resilience, an essential quality that can be improved through reflection, examination, and analysis.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Sunder Balakrishnan. Sunder is the Director of Supply Chain Analytics for LatentView Analytics, where he specializes in consumer products, retail, technology, and industrial automotive. His background includes roles focused on process and data, all with the end goal of solving some of the biggest challenges facing companies today.
Sunder takes on both the idea of resilience and the effort to make our supply chains more so:
Where the majority of disruptions take place in supply chains today
The level of visibility most companies have into their multi-tier supply chain at the beginning of their resilience journey
How to focus on getting back up faster, putting processes and systems in place to offer supply chain teams a much-needed boost
Links:
Sunder Balakrishnan on LinkedIn

Wednesday Jun 11, 2025
Ep 219: Why and What… but the HOW? feat. Tara Milburn
Wednesday Jun 11, 2025
Wednesday Jun 11, 2025
It is common for business strategy discussions to start with a definition of ‘Why?’ This makes it easier for leadership teams to formalize and articulate the reasons behind a set of decisions, and to share that vision with the rest of the company. As hard as it is to define a shared ‘Why?’ pairing that with an effective ‘How?’ may be even harder.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Tara Milburn. Tara is the President and CEO at Ethical Swag, a Certified B Corp and the leading on-line distributor of sustainably sourced promotional products in North America.
Tara speaks about how she and her team combine their ‘Why?’ and ‘How?’ across everything they do:
The ‘North Star’ that guides the company from the top, but also by empowering each employee to keep the team on track
How digital advancement is creating opportunities for companies to align with change in families and communities
What “meaningful work” looks like in practice, and the benefits of creating these kinds fo opportunities
Links:
Tara Milburn on LinkedIn

Wednesday Jun 04, 2025
Ep 218: Taking the Lead in Technical Procurement feat. Chuck Shehadi
Wednesday Jun 04, 2025
Wednesday Jun 04, 2025
The discussion about how much technical category knowledge procurement should have is ongoing - and the right answer depends a lot on the company in question. When close collaboration is needed between procurement, R&D, and suppliers, technical expertise is a must, but so are humility and curiosity.In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Chuck Shehadi. Chuck is the COO at Solugen, a chemical manufacturing company based in Houston, Texas. When it comes to the skills required to be considered a talented procurement professional in his world, that means technical - highly technical - and with the right level of category specialization.In this interview, Chuck talks about the unique backgrounds he and his team have and how they put them to work:
Why former engineers and PhDs would choose to pursue a career in procurement
How they balance having that knowledge with the experience brought by R&D and suppliers
His advice for someone in procurement looking to become more technically proficient or someone in engineering that might want to step into procurement
Links:
Chuck Shehadi on LinkedIn

Wednesday May 28, 2025
Ep 217: The Night the Lights Went Out in Spain feat. Kris Lance
Wednesday May 28, 2025
Wednesday May 28, 2025
On April 28, 2025, most of Spain, Portugal, and the south of France lost power for a day. Everything instantly ground to a halt: transportation, airports, ATMs, hospitals, cell phones, traffic lights, etc., and while this was a rare event for an area roughly the size of the state of Texas, it was catastrophic for everyone affected.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes back Kris Lance, Vice President and Senior Director at Una, for a monthly conversation about current news stories. Kris has experience in multiple industries and has his finger on the pulse of the trends and topics that procurement, sourcing, and supply chain professionals need to be aware of.
In this month’s discussion, Kris and Kelly discuss the power outage:
The most popular speculations about how and why the outage occurred, and what those theories tell us about people’s mindset
Lessons the rest of the world can learn about the risks to nations, governments, families, and energy infrastructure
Silver linings that may show themselves under difficult circumstances like these
Links:
Under Armour, Unless partner on plant-based sportswear collection
Kris Lance on LinkedIn
Subscribe to Una’s Procurement Newsletter, “The Sidekick”
Episode 212: Trying Regenerative Sportswear on for Size
Episode 208: All Cracked Up - Understanding Today’s Egg Prices
Episode 204: Hot Times in the Arctic Circle
Episode 200: Fostering the Conditions That Lead to Success

Wednesday May 21, 2025
Ep 216: Looking at Procurement Through the Lens of Finance feat. Mark Gilham
Wednesday May 21, 2025
Wednesday May 21, 2025
For most procurement professionals, the only contact they have with finance is when their savings projections are being audited or approved for internal communication. Those are hardly the circumstances under which collaborative relationships form - but that doesn’t have to be the extent of their contact.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Mark Gilham. Mark is the Vice President and Head of the Enable Advisory practice. Most of his past positions have been strategic finance and accounting roles, allowing him to develop a first hand perspective that can certainly help procurement teams today.
In this interview, Mark talks about the opportunity that exists for finance and procurement teams who can work together:
What it looks like when finance takes a broader, more commercially-minded perspective
Forms of value beyond savings that finance can help procurement make the business case for achieving
The number one thing procurement should never (ever) do to finance
Links:
Mark Gilham on LinkedIn

Wednesday May 14, 2025
Ep 215: Pranks, Purpose, and Procurement Leadership feat. Dr. Cindie Burkett
Wednesday May 14, 2025
Wednesday May 14, 2025
Procurement is the kind of job where success is largely fueled by the strength of your relationships. Having trust and respect between procurement and the business, as well as between procurement and suppliers, can often make or break an effort. But it all starts with the team dynamic that exists within procurement.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes Dr. Cindie Burkett. Cindie is the Vice President of Procurement for Specialty Dental Brands where she is busy building out her procurement team and forging relationships with suppliers for the good of the organization.
Cindie shares her point of view on relationships, and why they are so critical to business success:
Healthy ways individuals can process their mistakes in a way that everyone benefits
Why having close relationships with suppliers doesn’t reduce procurement’s leverage at renegotiation time or when there are performance issues
How procurement can resolve perception-based issues that the business has with a supplier’s performance
Links:
Dr. Cindie Burkett on LinkedIn

Wednesday May 07, 2025
Ep 214: Making a Deal from Both Sides of the Table feat. John Latham
Wednesday May 07, 2025
Wednesday May 07, 2025
Procurement has come a long way over the last few decades, but the fact that they always want to achieve more shouldn’t lead them to discount or overlook how good they have it today. Whether that means the quality of supplier relationships, the speed of spend analytics, or the regard they enjoy from stakeholders, there is a lot to be grateful for.
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes John Latham. John has a really interesting mix of experience - deep category expertise on the buy side of the procurement process, but also business development and account management roles as well.
In this interview, John shares lessons from his many years working in and around procurement:
Why today’s procurement professionals should appreciate the digital support they may take for granted
Knowing when it is valuable to have category expertise in house and when it is not necessary
What procurement and sales professionals should both remember about the objectives they share
Links:
John Latham on LinkedIn

Wednesday Apr 30, 2025
Ep 213: Trying Regenerative Sportswear on for Size - feat. Kris Lance
Wednesday Apr 30, 2025
Wednesday Apr 30, 2025
Activewear company Under Armour unveiled a line of regenerative sportswear at Milan Fashion Week in 2025. This is their first collaboration with recent acquisition Unless Collective, a producer of zero-plastic, plant-based fashion.
The effort to remove non-degradable textiles from landfills is admirable, but will it work?
In this episode of The Sourcing Hero podcast, Host Kelly Barner welcomes back Kris Lance, Vice President and Senior Director at Una, for a monthly conversation about current news stories. Kris has experience in multiple industries and has his finger on the pulse of the trends and topics that procurement, sourcing, and supply chain professionals need to be aware of.
In this month’s discussion, Kris and Kelly talk about Under Armour’s decision to experiment with plant-based clothing:
Consumer first impressions to new innovations, and how the best of intentions don’t always work as planned
Being aspirational about brand identity, while staying firmly rooted in reality
How we can ensure space for experimentation, suspending disbelief long enough to allow new ideas an opportunity to prove themselves
Links:
Under Armour, Unless partner on plant-based sportswear collection
Kris Lance on LinkedIn
Subscribe to Una’s Procurement Newsletter, “The Sidekick”
Episode 208: All Cracked Up - Understanding Today’s Egg Prices
Episode 204: Hot Times in the Arctic Circle
Episode 200: Fostering the Conditions That Lead to Success
Episode 196: The Best of Kris Lance in 2024